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Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by Eadwine Rose » Wed May 22, 2019 11:35 am

Ok.. I KEEP going back and forth between these two in my computer build thread, and I cannot find enough on either as far as "works with MX" is concerned.

I don't like opening a can of worms that I cannot close, and I DO like to keep it simple where support is concerned.


I have two video cards that I want to pick from. Part of me screams Nvidia because well.. that is what I have known for 10+ years, you know.

Then there is another part that does believe the issues with it, I read about them regularly, and it leans, thanks to tips, to a radeon driven card.

Reading up on both on the intarwebs reveals that both have happy linux users so.. yeah.. what do I do? :confused:

I would really like some input on those actually in the know of what works on MX. So not just preference like "this is better, that is better because my neighbor said so" ;) but more "I have this card and it works like a charm" or "pick this one, support in MX is better, runs OOTB without issues". Stuff like that. I just want to be sure that this thing is going to work. It'll work on Win10 I'm sure, no matter which I pick, not worried about that.



Anyway, the two cards:

1) Sapphire Radeon RX 580, 4GB Pulse : https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consume ... -580-4g-g5

2) Nvidia Geforce GTX 1050 Ti :https://www.geforce.com/hardware/deskto ... ifications


Hopefully someone can get some clarity for me, because it is driving me bonkers :laugh: Price wise they run roughly the same over here.
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by j2mcgreg » Wed May 22, 2019 12:10 pm

Have a look at this comparison by Phoronix:

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... 2019&num=1
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by srq2625 » Wed May 22, 2019 12:11 pm

Bottom Line - Up Front (BLUF) - I have no direct experience with either card so there is nothing in this post that answers your question. ;)

But .....
Having read what I read as a direct result of following the discussion in your other thread, I know which one I would be buying if I were in the market for a new card - and it wouldn't be the Nvidia card.

And, with that, I think it's time for me to sit back, watch the debate and eat my ... :popcorn:

ETA: Oh, and also keep a running count of the number of posts that actually address your question in the manner/fashion you requested vs. every other way of answering.
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by Eadwine Rose » Wed May 22, 2019 12:23 pm

Two threads.

I needed a more in depth answer and not everyone checks in on the chat thread hence my asking it here.


I believe it was you and one other that moved me toward the Sapphire, and I am GLAD. If that turns out to be the better one then that is what I am going to go for ;) I am leaning toward that actually.. but I really need to hear about it from the folks in the know MX wise before I dare to get it ;)
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by j2mcgreg » Wed May 22, 2019 1:04 pm

I can't give you a direct endorsement because I don't have that exact card.I also doubt that you will get a comment, positive or negative, here on either card simply because our sample size is too small. You are going to have to search the forums of the more established distros for performance reviews. I do, however, have a Radeon R7 370 in my desktop that runs like a champ and the Radeon Vega graphics card in my now defunct Acer Aspire3 also worked flawlessly. On the latter, the graphics were great and markedly better than on Win 10.
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by srq2625 » Wed May 22, 2019 2:09 pm

Eadwine Rose wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 12:23 pm
I believe it was you and one other that moved me toward the Sapphire, and I am GLAD.
You drop that one at my doorstep! I've never run AMD video cards. When I've bought desktop cards, they have always been Nvidia. Any, my laptops have always been either Nvidia or Intel.

But, like I said, the reading that was suggested in your other thread opened my eyes to information that I had not known before; information that would lead me to an down that path.
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by timkb4cq » Wed May 22, 2019 2:10 pm

I haven't used either card but both should work in MX. You might (or might not) have to force the use of the AMDGPU driver by blacklisting the radeon driver - but that's no harder than installing the nvidia drivers.

The GFXBench site shows both cards render approximately as well as each other. The Nvidia is somewhat faster for OpenGL gaming but not enough to matter since you're not a hardcore gamer.

What I would be concerned about would be the comments here about screen tearing (edit although further down the comments it looks like that's fixable)
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/c ... ce_so_far/
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by Eadwine Rose » Wed May 22, 2019 2:23 pm

Installing nvidia drivers -one finger in the nose-, basically. Force composition pipeline thingie on nvidia is easy enough to handle really, it is something I insert automatically when I reinstall. I even have the xorg.conf stuff sorted and all that. Basically: I know my way around on the nvidia scheme of things. They won't change.

I would have to relearn all the fixes again to make sure the RX does well...

Ouch, you're making me prefer the nvidia again ;) The road well traveled and all that.


This bit is making me go ouch: "my dual monitor setup had issues with amdgpu.dc which could result in physical damage to a monitor (two hours of power cycles), I have found a work around and filed a bug report"

Never had to worry about that on the nvidia.


You know.. when I read about nvidia issues I don't get nervous. I KNOW I can get it to work. When I read what you linked my brain goes in instant run-to-get-chocolate-and-suck-my-thumb mode. Not a good thing.

When I was reading Reddit on the nvidia I was going yep, easily sorted by.. yup.



Also.. no one wants an Eadwine on the forum asking for help on every bleeping thing all over again right? hahaha.



Still open for input but strongly leaning toward nvidia. Stick with what I know works and I can get to work.
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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by kmathern » Wed May 22, 2019 2:30 pm

timkb4cq wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 2:10 pm
You might (or might not) have to force the use of the AMDGPU driver by blacklisting the radeon driver - but that's no harder than installing the nvidia drivers.
On MX-18.x I think the RX 580 should automatically use the amdgpu driver without forcing it, I don't think it's even supported by the radeon driver.


What I would be concerned about would be the comments here about screen tearing (edit although further down the comments it looks like that's fixable)
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/c ... ce_so_far/
I think we might have a screen tearing fix for it included in one of our MX tools (forget which one).

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Re: Which of these two video cards works best on MX?

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Post by Eadwine Rose » Wed May 22, 2019 2:38 pm

I vaguely remember something about that tearing fix, yes.. I believe someone had a problem with it and it was ticked and sorted.. something like that anyway. MX Tweak maybe.. it has compton and compositor in it.



Hrmph.. not making this easier hahaha, but I asked! ;)
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