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Greetings all! Long time linux user but newish here (explaination inside)

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Post by MadmanRB » Sun May 05, 2019 11:20 am

So yes hello MX linux user community, I am MadmanRB a long time linux enthusiast who has recently decided to give MX a spin.
I have had many distros under my belt:
openSUSE
Linux Mint (what I use on my desktop which I am typing this message on now)
Manjaro
Ubuntu
Debian Pure
Mandriva
Fedora
not to mention the distro that made me fall in love with linux in the first place:

Mepis linux

Yup, I was a Mepis user way back when.
Different name, different email, different everything but yes I used Mepis all t he way back on 2004 so that shows you how far I go back with linux.
I have spent most of my life under the Ubuntu family tree and still do but I did want to have something not Ubuntu based around me for a change.
The real test of MX linux lays with my laptop you see, while I will probably not abandon linux mint anytime soon on my desktop (which i only use as I like cinnamon and its mostly quite stable) I wanted to give MX a try on my laptop.
Last year I procured a 2013 HP ProBook 6570b 15 inch laptop off of craigslist, while its a little beat up its still got the goods I need for when I am on the go and want something to browse the internet and do emulation on.
The laptop has a Intel Core i5 3320M, 8 gigs of ram, intel graphics (so not a gaming laptop by any stretch of the word) a Crucial MX500 250GB SSD and a seagate 1TB hdd (I swapped out the optical drive it had for a optical bay hard drive caddy)
Now the laptop does have one piece of hardware I am not crazy about but replacing it does have some cons, thats the internal wifi card, a broadcom BCM43228 wireless card that also handles my bluetooth.
Thing is i would still like to use the card as that bluetooth comes in handy but yes the laptop isnt 100% open source friendly (neither is my desktop which has a GTX 1070ti but I may swap it for a AMD navi card when they come out as it is a custom build)
But good news is that MX linux does detect it and it works right off the bat no issue at least on that front.
My reason to try MX linux on it is simple: battery life.
the articles by Dedoimedo are not always my favourite reviewer but he did mention battery life on his laptop being good under MX linux sdo I said it must be worth a shot.
I will try the battery life aspect today as I only just installed MX late last night but I have already given it Slimbook Battery 3 a tool I tried under ubuntu that gave okay results but I wanted to see how it fared with MX as well:
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/05/sli ... zer-ubuntu

Now yes I fully realise using ubuntu based apps doesnt always bode well for debian but so far the app works fine, I used the bionic beaver installer for it without enabling the PPA, l just installed the .deb and no issue so far.

Otherwise MX linux seems to be a bit of a winner on the laptop, the only issue i had is well... the laptops bootloader, its given me issues in the past so its no fault of MX linux but man getting mx linux to boot on it was a pain.
This may be the only reason why MX linux may not be permanent as when/if there is a new version of MX linux I will have to manually edit the bootloader again...... but who knows.
I remember Manjaro also giving me grief there, Ubuntu installs just fine though but meh.
Again not blaming MX there, its just how my laptop is, its mostly linux friendly but it does have its quirks.

Anyhow long post over, once I get some replies and all that I will start probing some questions as I do want to do some more tweaks on my laptop but I have gone on for a while now no need to bore everyone on my first post LOL!
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Re: Greetings all! Long time linux user but newish here (explaination inside)

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Post by fehlix » Sun May 05, 2019 11:54 am

MadmanRB wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 11:20 am
.. the laptops bootloader, its given me issues in the past so its no fault of MX linux but man getting mx linux to boot on it was a pain.
Welcome to the Forum.
Any more details on that issues with the bootloader.
Would you mind to paste Quick System Info ( from the menu ).
Thanks
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Post by MadmanRB » Sun May 05, 2019 1:48 pm

sure:

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System:
  Host: CaptainLinux Kernel: 4.19.0-1-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
  v: 6.3.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18.2_x64 Continuum Apr 7  2019 
  base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Hewlett-Packard product: HP ProBook 6470b 
  v: A1029D1103 serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 179C v: KBC Version 42.36 serial: <filter> 
  UEFI: Hewlett-Packard v: 68ICE Ver. F.43 date: 07/16/2013 
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 51.3 Wh condition: 51.8/51.8 Wh (100%) 
  model: Hewlett-Packard Primary status: Discharging 
CPU:
  Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-3230M bits: 64 type: MT MCP 
  arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9 L2 cache: 3072 KiB 
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 20752 
  Speed: 1197 MHz min/max: 1200/2600 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1197 2: 1197 
  3: 1197 4: 1197 
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
  driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel resolution: 1366x768~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 Mesa 18.2.6 
  direct render: Yes 
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio 
  vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 
  Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-1-amd64 
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82579V Gigabit Network vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
  driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 4060 bus ID: 00:19.0 
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
  Device-2: Broadcom Limited BCM43228 802.11a/b/g/n 
  vendor: Hewlett-Packard BCM943228HM4L driver: wl v: kernel port: 4040 
  bus ID: 24:00.0 
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.14 TiB used: 198.41 GiB (17.0%) 
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Crucial model: CT250MX500SSD1 size: 232.89 GiB 
  ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST1000LM024 HN-M101MBB 
  size: 931.51 GiB 
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 227.31 GiB used: 5.57 GiB (2.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 
  ID-2: /boot size: 453.7 MiB used: 79.4 MiB (17.5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
  ID-3: /home size: 911.95 GiB used: 192.77 GiB (21.1%) fs: ext4 
  dev: /dev/sdb3 
  ID-4: swap-1 size: 4.00 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdb1 
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 43.0 C mobo: N/A 
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
Repos:
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
  1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
  1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
  1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
  2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list 
  1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
  1: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:
  Processes: 226 Uptime: 3h 27m Memory: 7.67 GiB used: 1.76 GiB (22.9%) 
  Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 
  inxi: 3.0.33
As for my bootloader experience well it has both legacy and UEFI support but it primarily uses UEFI.
I have to use a custom boot option via the bios for some linux distros and MX isnt the first.
My issue is getting the directory down for the uefi bootoader, its a bit tricky to do on this laptop as sometimes the Bios is a bit finicky.
Secure boot is off, I currently have it set to hybrid boot which works right off the bat with Ubuntu and its derivatives.
But for some reason MX didnt click so i had to manually edit my boot setting via the bios/UEFI.
Considering this is a windows 8 era machine it makes sense why its giving me hiccups, I had a similar issue with a now dead broken windows 8 era laptop and that too had its issues loading linux.
Like i said its probably just a quirk with this laptop, but its at its most recent BIOS so cant really do much about it except fiddle with its settings.
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Post by fehlix » Sun May 05, 2019 1:59 pm

Thanks. And the bootloader issue was about UEFI related issues or something else?
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Post by MadmanRB » Sun May 05, 2019 2:09 pm

fehlix wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 1:59 pm
Thanks. And the bootloader issue was about UEFI related issues or something else?
I think its just the UEFI and how its arranged on this machine.
Like i said MX linux isnt the only distro that did this to me, Manjaro gave me a similar issue but once i edit the config it works fine from that point on.
Note i have only had a handful of distros on the laptop so i have not gave it the gamut like I have my desktop.
Only 5 distros have gone onto this laptop so far:
Ubuntu
Linux Mint
Manjaro
MX linux
Fedora

I mean it does make sense why Ubuntu and its side distros (and Fedora) work thanks to them having a official UEFI key from microsoft so I am not exactly surprised why the others gave me issues.
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Post by fehlix » Sun May 05, 2019 2:39 pm

MadmanRB wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 2:09 pm
Ubuntu and its side distros (and Fedora) work thanks to them having a official UEFI key from microsoft so I am not exactly surprised why the others gave me issues.
Right, if you have not disabled secure boot, MX Linux efi-loader would not boot/loaded, as we have no signed efi-loader for installing.
For disabled secure boot, there is another little issue as lot's of UEFI-firmware do not always respect NVRAM-entries made during the install. That's about the so called default efi loader (which is /EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi).
Ubuntu and Fedora are copying their own grubx64.efi loader into this default efi loader ( that's actual what WinOS also is doing). Unfortunately our current MX Installer does not do this, yet. In theory it is not required. As the default loader shall only be needed if no efi-entries are available with NVRAM-table's efi-bootmenu. But in reality UEFI-firmware implementations, do interpret the UEFI-specification differently. So we might better do as Ubuntu, Fedora and WinOS are doing and also populate additionally the default EFI-loader during installation.
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Post by MadmanRB » Sun May 05, 2019 3:39 pm

Yeah maybe in the future MX should copy what Ubuntu does, Its not needed now but its going to be an issue once intel drops legacy BIOS support
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Post by fehlix » Sun May 05, 2019 4:05 pm

MadmanRB wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 3:39 pm
Yeah maybe in the future MX should copy what Ubuntu does ...
That's already noted on the enhancement todo-list for the MX Installer.
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Post by MadmanRB » Sun May 05, 2019 4:10 pm

Neat! Good to hear as right now MX is quite popular on disrowatch so that does mean newer users who may not know about this sort of thing
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Post by KBD » Sun May 05, 2019 8:46 pm

Welcome Madman!

fehlix, Debian Buster will now work with secure boot as I understand, will it be difficult to adapt future MX to that?

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