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What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

default (sysVinit)
105
88%
systemd
6
5%
sometimes one, sometime other
4
3%
what is an init system?
4
3%
 
Total votes: 119

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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by napsix65 » Sun May 26, 2019 4:02 pm

definitely change to systemd, sysvinit brings me problems when starting, the machine sometimes froze and would not start. Since I activated systemd, I never again booted boot issues in MX Linux. :) I think MX should start by default with Systemd and alternately with sysvinit, I do not see that there is any problem with this. Systemd is already accepted in the vast majority of distros and without any inconvenience.

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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by NickStone » Sun May 26, 2019 5:16 pm

I've noticed that the vast majority of those who answered the poll have selected SysV init being the default init system. I wonder if the result would be the same if the default init system was systemd?

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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by cretsiah » Sun May 26, 2019 9:23 pm

I would prefer MX Linux to stay away from systemd
heres my personal reasoning
I have found that Systemd appears to require minimum 2.5GHZ Cpu's, 4gig ram, SSD's to be functional.

OpenSuse, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Linux Mint with Systemd on my systems have been unuasble. this is using XFCE, LXDE, LXQT,

Sluggish to boot. (at least as long as OpenRC usually worse).

Sluggish to move around Graphical Interface (windows bloat equivalent)

Constant loss of Wifi connection.

MX Linux doesnt/didnt suffer wifi connection loss but was still sluggish but usable.

Majaro OpenRC, Devuan

boot time average (not fast, but not waiting for ever either)

Graphical Interface Speed more than usable/functional.

no loss of wifi connection.

Conclusions I came to:

Regardless of the mass inroads Linux Gaming has made, with the gear I have available to me to use, Im no better off with Linux vs Win7 (no we wont debate Linux vs Win10 lol).

SSD's read/write speeds hide the true speed of Systemd compared to Systemd on HDD's. (making Systemd useless on old hardware).

you can have lots of ram, Hdd space, but without a fast cpu dont bother (tested with a 1.6GHz cpu, 64-bit, 8gig ram, 500gig Hdd and a 32-bit Medion computer 4gig ram, 3.5-4GHZ cpu, 1 terabyte Hdd ) . 

booting from cold took 5- 10 minutes
1.5 minutes to get mouse from botom-left to top-right of monitor screen
- 17inch square (aka crt style)
- 15 inch widescreen (laptop style)

programs/ aplications took 3-5 minutes to open with only one running (not including background junk)
browser 3-5 minutes (when it opened youtube was fine)
webpages took 2-5 minutes (depended on sites programs aka plain text took the lower took 2, while drupal, wordpress styled ones took 5)
task manager would take 5 mins

on a non-systemd distro

boot up took longest at maybe 2 minutes
programs/ applications were almost instant (less than a minute)
mouse was fully responsive (to the point I nearly had to tone it down
webpage response times were less than 30 seconds regardless o type.
computer 1: main: 64-bit amd fx 4130, 8gig ram, nvidea GTX650, (new addition) ssd adata 500gig, seagate 1 terabyte hhd.
computer 2: kids/guest: 32bit medion pc, amd athlon ii, 4gig ram, radeon hd 5670, 1 terabyte hdd,
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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by figueroa » Sun May 26, 2019 10:42 pm

cretsiah wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:23 pm
I would prefer MX Linux to stay away from systemd
heres my personal reasoning
I have found that Systemd appears to require minimum 2.5GHZ Cpu's, 4gig ram, SSD's to be functional.
I don't like systemd, but none of the reasons that you mentioned can be verified. Any increase in use system resources by systemd can barely be measured, if any at all. One of the "advantages" of systemd is that properly implemented, booting can be quite a bit faster.
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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by cretsiah » Sun May 26, 2019 11:16 pm

@figueroa,

Hence why I put "personal reasons", I dont know if anyone else has had similar issues, i do know they talk of other issues.

I think I know what your getting at here:
but none of the reasons that you mentioned can be verified. Any increase in use system resources by systemd can barely be measured,

however my instances were "fresh installs" of those OS's, before any tweaking as you seamed to imply here:
One of the "advantages" of systemd is that properly implemented, booting can be quite a bit faster.

I have maybe one system that I could put a systemd based distro on,to try it out, but as it is my main system for everything i do

and the fresh install Os's with systemd, failed on my testing units Im severely reluctant to try.

I am currently looking at:
- MX Linux and Calculate for the reasons of providing choice and they at least worked better on my systems.
- Artix, Devuan and Gentoo but these are not nessarily noobish friendly.
computer 1: main: 64-bit amd fx 4130, 8gig ram, nvidea GTX650, (new addition) ssd adata 500gig, seagate 1 terabyte hhd.
computer 2: kids/guest: 32bit medion pc, amd athlon ii, 4gig ram, radeon hd 5670, 1 terabyte hdd,
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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by corby » Mon May 27, 2019 10:04 am

I have been using the systemd on the chance that I want to install a snap. I have not installed one yet however.

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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by Roberto » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:26 pm

NickStone wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:16 pm
I've noticed that the vast majority of those who answered the poll have selected SysV init being the default init system. I wonder if the result would be the same if the default init system was systemd?
If systemd is or was the default init system, I have never had installed MX Linux.
Sorry guys.

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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by manyroads » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:59 pm

Roberto wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:26 pm
NickStone wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:16 pm
I've noticed that the vast majority of those who answered the poll have selected SysV init being the default init system. I wonder if the result would be the same if the default init system was systemd?
If systemd is or was the default init system, I have never had installed MX Linux.
Sorry guys.
Gleichfalls, @Roberto (me too). If MX goes to systemd one of my big reasons for having left manjaro (problems with systemd) is as they say in the US Military -O.B.E. (Overcome By Events) :eek:
"Don't believe everything you think."
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Re: What init system do you use on MX, the default (sysVinit) or systemd?

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Post by Roberto » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:01 am

manyroads wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:59 pm
Roberto wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:26 pm
NickStone wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:16 pm
I've noticed that the vast majority of those who answered the poll have selected SysV init being the default init system. I wonder if the result would be the same if the default init system was systemd?
If systemd is or was the default init system, I have never had installed MX Linux.
Sorry guys.
Gleichfalls, @Roberto (me too). If MX goes to systemd one of my big reasons for having left manjaro (problems with systemd) is as they say in the US Military -O.B.E. (Overcome By Events) :eek:
That's how it was with me. I have used Manjaro for a long time, especially when the openrc version was still available. When this version was discontinued, I went to Artix Linux.
In the beginning, I had problems with the reinstallation of the system. Meanwhile, the devs have solved many problems and there are new iso available. Right now I'm using both MX Linux and Artix Linux.
So if MX Linux changes to systemd as the default init system, I will switch completely to Artix Linux.

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