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Re: The new computer build

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Post by Eadwine Rose » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:17 pm

Just booted into the 18.3 liveUSB:

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System:    Host: mx1 Kernel: 4.19.0-5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
           Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3 Distro: MX-18.3_x64 Continuum May 26  2019 
           base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: TUF B450-PLUS GAMING v: Rev X.0x serial: <filter> 
           UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 0604 date: 12/08/2018 
CPU:       Topology: 8-Core model: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen+ rev: 2 
           L2 cache: 4096 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm bogomips: 102193 
           Speed: 2479 MHz min/max: 1550/3200 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1473 2: 1475 3: 1382 
           4: 1535 5: 1442 6: 1379 7: 1545 8: 1546 9: 1379 10: 1541 11: 1377 12: 1377 13: 1378 
           14: 1377 15: 1389 16: 1388 
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nouveau 
           v: kernel bus ID: 08:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: NV137 v: 4.3 Mesa 18.2.6 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Conexant Systems CX23887/8 PCIe Broadcast Audio and Video Decoder with 3D 
           Comb 
           vendor: Hauppauge works driver: cx23885 v: 0.0.4 bus ID: 07:00.0 
           Device-2: NVIDIA vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 08:00.1 
           Device-3: AMD vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 0a:00.3 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.19.0-5-amd64 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: ASUSTeK 
           driver: r8169 v: kernel port: f000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 480.77 GiB used: 1.45 GiB (0.3%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB 
           ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Samsung model: SSD 860 EVO 250GB size: 232.89 GiB 
           ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB model: UFD 2.0 Silicon-Power16G size: 15.00 GiB 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 25.02 GiB used: 56.7 MiB (0.2%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 7.81 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 53.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 39 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 gpu: nouveau fan: 948 
Repos:     Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
           1: deb http://iso.mxrepo.com/antix/stretch stretch main
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
           1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
           2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
           Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list 
           1: deb http://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/ stretch main non-free
           No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
Info:      Processes: 336 Uptime: 3m Memory: 31.41 GiB used: 1000.4 MiB (3.1%) Init: SysVinit 
           runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 6.3.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.12 inxi: 3.0.33 


Mobo has a sensor, so does the CPU fan have RPMs. I know because it shows in the Bios. I wager that needs some work then.

CPU temp needs work too.. need to up the CPU fan speed me thinks.

But yeah, this is the default setting on live USB. :smile:



Also did some prelim work on the SSD:
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Post by richb » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:40 pm

I have never been enable to get fan speeds to show in inxi. They do show in the BIOS.
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Post by Eadwine Rose » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:46 pm

Oh.. indeed. They do show in my conky though.

{exec sensors | grep 'CPU FAN'| cut -b 20-27}
{exec sensors | grep 'CHASSIS FAN'| cut -b 20-27}

Turned the new puppy off.. I upped the settings for the fan so it starts spinning faster earlier on, wait and see what gives tomorrow on a cold boot.
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Post by Eadwine Rose » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:24 pm

Just going back to the wiki:
The MX-17 64-bit Linux installer requires the following UEFI firmware configuration. Make your changes by access your UEFI firmware Setup utility.

Fast Boot OFF. UEFI firmware should allow you to either disable Fast Boot, or minimize its speed. This is may help if your installation media is on USB flashdrive.

Native UEFI ON. Make sure that Native UEFI is ON, and any Legacy BIOS compatibility mode is disabled.

Secure Boot OFF. Secure Boot ON is the default, but needs to be disabled as it is not supported by MX-17.

Just wondering what is meant with "this is may help if your installation media is on USB flashdrive."
I had no issues booting the flash drive, does that mean that I can try and disregard that bit?

Also.. after installing, can I put stuff back the way it was? As it says the INSTALLER requires it, but nothing on the installed system itself?
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Post by srq2625 » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:47 pm

I read you post about your FB post. I feel the same way EVERY time I make a hardware change, "Is it going to boot and what am I going to do if it doesn't?" And, I've been building desktop computers from parts ordered online of the better part of 15 or 20 years. My point being, there's no shame in those feelings and the fact that you over-came ... "Well done, indeed!"
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Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 53.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 39 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 gpu: nouveau fan: 948 

CPU temp needs work too.. need to up the CPU fan speed me thinks.
The above is one of the reasons I don't favor OEM cooling solutions. When I run "sensors" (remember, I have the same CPU and the little-brother to your motherboard) I get the following:

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$ sensors
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
Tdie:         +28.9°C  (high = +70.0°C)
Tctl:         +28.9°C  

asus-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:        0 RPM
Looking around the internet, I've seen people reporting temperatures running from 50C to as high as 88C and one source indicating that anything under 75C was fine (with a auto-throttle set in AMD chips at 95C). So, if the stuff I've read is anywhere near correct, then your 53C is not something to be overly concerned about. Having said that, if it were me, I would be doing more research to verify safe operating temperature range and also be trying to bring that temperature down a notch or two.
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Post by Stevo » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:54 pm

For what it's worth, the MSI GP63 works fine with MX with "fast boot" left enabled in the BIOS.

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Post by j2mcgreg » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:56 pm

Eadwine Rose wrote:
Just wondering what is meant with "this is may help if your installation media is on USB flashdrive."
I had no issues booting the flash drive, does that mean that I can try and disregard that bit?
In Fast Boot, optical, network and usb drives are disabled in favour of the hdd or sdd. If the bios then can't locate an operating system on the latter two, it reverts to the former three -- which is why your usb drive gave you no problem. Once you have installed Windows, Fast Boot becomes a real problem if your intention is to dual boot Linux because you will boot into Windows every time and not have access to your usb install drive.
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Post by Eadwine Rose » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:00 pm

srq2625 wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:47 pm
I read you post about your FB post. I feel the same way EVERY time I make a hardware change, "Is it going to boot and what am I going to do if it doesn't?" And, I've been building desktop computers from parts ordered online of the better part of 15 or 20 years. My point being, there's no shame in those feelings and the fact that you over-came ... "Well done, indeed!"


The above is one of the reasons I don't favor OEM cooling solutions. When I run "sensors" (remember, I have the same CPU and the little-brother to your motherboard) I get the following:

Code: Select all

$ sensors
k10temp-pci-00c3
Adapter: PCI adapter
Tdie:         +28.9°C  (high = +70.0°C)
Tctl:         +28.9°C  

asus-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
cpu_fan:        0 RPM
Looking around the internet, I've seen people reporting temperatures running from 50C to as high as 88C and one source indicating that anything under 75C was fine (with a auto-throttle set in AMD chips at 95C). So, if the stuff I've read is anywhere near correct, then your 53C is not something to be overly concerned about. Having said that, if it were me, I would be doing more research to verify safe operating temperature range and also be trying to bring that temperature down a notch or two.
Exactly my thoughts indeed on the temp.

Thing is the cooler on THIS cpu here is also a stock one, much less bulky even, but that runs at a high RPM from the getgo, right from the boot, maybe that helps in keeping it cooler.

I will set the CPU fan to the max tomorrow on the new system as well and see if that helps. *shrug* If push does come to shove I will change the cooler around. But let's see what I can do in the bios with setting the speed first. I don't mind if it makes more noise after all ;)

Thanks for your remark on the facebook post :smile:
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Post by Eadwine Rose » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:02 pm

j2mcgreg wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:56 pm
In Fast Boot, optical, network and usb drives are disabled in favour of the hdd or sdd. If the bios then can't locate an operating system on the latter two, it reverts to the former three -- which is why your usb drive gave you no problem. Once you have installed Windows, Fast Boot becomes a real problem if your intention is to dual boot Linux because you will boot into Windows every time and not have access to your usb install drive.
Thing is.. windows 10 WAS installed already when I booted the liveusb. I installed that one first.


Thanks for the explanation, I understand better now.
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Post by Eadwine Rose » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:04 pm

Stevo wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:54 pm
For what it's worth, the MSI GP63 works fine with MX with "fast boot" left enabled in the BIOS.
Thanks. The other two ARE a must if I understand correctly. Both pre and post install?
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